I need advice re: fanfic.
- Aug. 31st, 2007 at 11:51 PM
And I am, once again, confronted by the fact that Rob Thomas is either incapable of learning, lives in his own reality, or else, thinks his audience is illiterate and addle-minded. Because it took me all of 12 seconds of Googling to find out what he was too lazy to look up.
1. FBI does NOT take freshmen into their Internship program Applicants must be in their junior or senior year!
2. Applications are due in earlier October!
3. An extencive interview process is set up, both at the local field office and then, if you pass that, at the headquarters in Washington, D.C. by early November.
4. Final decisions are generally made in November, and selected candidates receive a conditional job offer soon thereafter.
5. And this little sticky point right from their site: Background Investigation – Candidates who accept a conditional job offer will be asked to complete the required background investigation paperwork and will be scheduled for a security interview, pre-employment polygraph examination to check the truthfulness of all of your responses (I can just hear that: Miss Mars, have you ever committed a Federal crime? Say, helped a fugitive flee the country? Please answer yes or no), urinalysis test, and fingerprinting. FBI investigators will also contact former and current employers, references, social acquaintances, and neighbors, and review school, credit, arrest, medical, and military records. The length of your background investigation depends on a number of different variables, including how quickly and thoroughly you complete the background investigation documents; the extent of your foreign travel or time living abroad; and inconsistencies in the application and investigation process.
There’s no way in hell Veronica Mars makes it past any of this! None!
And if in some alternate universe she does, here’s the exciting work she’d be
1. "As an Honors Intern, you will have opportunities to participate in executive briefings; field trips to the FBI Academy, the FBI Laboratory, and the Washington Field Office; special tours of FBI Headquarters, etc. You will find it to be an intense, fun-filled, and rewarding summer."
For that, read "field trips" and long, boring meetings you have to take extensive notes at.
2. "Projects vary according to the background of the Honors Intern. For example, in past years Honors Interns with a Psychology, Forensic Psychology, Sociology, Behavioral Science, or Criminology background have worked on research projects such as the analysis of crime data."
Yes, Veronica, you can look forward to the hours and hours of fascinating staring at the charts and printouts! Yippee! But hey, you get to compile the whole sheets of paper, sort them by color, and stuff them into neat packages! And that label-maker is a hoot!
"Projects also vary based on the division of assignment. For example, Honors Interns assigned to the FBI's Inspection Division have audited divisions throughout the United States to assure compliance with FBI regulations."
Regulation compliance, Veronica! Just the thing you are so good at! It’s practically your field of expertise right there. Plus, think of the fun studying all those thick volumes of rules and regulations!
"Honors Interns assigned to the FBI Office of Public Affairs have conducted readership surveys for the FBI's internal magazine ("The Investigator"), analyzed the results, and presented recommendations for future issues."
As someone who’s done "readership surveys," I am here to tell you that it’s right up there with root canals and OBGYN visits for sheer entertainment value.
Sigh. I’m getting to the point, honestly. The advice I need is whether I should rework my plot (or what passes for plot in my story) to ignore this travesty and make like Veronica never heard of this Internship? Or should I treat reality the same way RT does and just pretend the Universe obeys my misconceptions? Help!
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What drove me crazy (other than blatant ignorance of, I dunno, FACTS) is that, like you highlighted here, it's a horribly mismatched career for Veronica, in more ways than I can count. Which I also outlined back then. Why does no one listen to me?! *weeps in corner*
As for your question, I honestly think... there's going with the flow of canon, and then there's writing within any semblance of reality. And if you're interested in the latter? VM: FBI just... does not exist. At all. So... that's my advice.
(Also, WHEE, fic! From you! *dances*)
It's ridiculous, isn't it? I made the mistake of engaging in a debate with someone who thought it was a fabulous idea and when I pointed out all of these reasons why it would never happen, do you know what response I got?
That since Dick's mother was married to Arnold Schwarzenegger's business manager, it was plausible that the governor would pull some strings on Veronica's behalf to get her into the FBI. And they were serious.
I gave up at that point because it became abundantly clear that they would allow Rob Thomas to write whatever the hell he wanted and they would still think it was brilliant. As frustrating as it was for me, I can only imagine what it was like for you since it's your field.
Right, because Dick Casablancas would be so eager to do a favor for Veronica Freaking Mars! And because Dick's mother would be doubly so, what with Veronica essentially being involved in her other son's death and all. Because people tend to not think of little things like that. Dick's mom would be just begging her new husband to ask his employer to pull the strings for this girl. And because Arnold Schwarzenegger has those kinds of strings to pull in the first place. After all, it's only the FBI! Honestly, who doesn't have the sway over that little, pliable, easily-manipulated, completely irresponsible organization? I bet a silly Federal agency like that just can't wait to do a solid to a state governor with a silly name and no real political cache!
*Snort.
I'm not surprised you let it drop. Some people are just too stupid to argue with. :))
I certainly can't blame you for giving up. And yeah, it was tough, because like you say, it's my area, dammit. Rob can fuck up whatever he wants, be as cavalier as he likes, and crow about he's above doing any kind of "research" whatsoever, but he needs to stay the hell out of MY sandbox, dammit! Sigh.
I'm assuming "they" are the VM_fans people?
But Zellie, don't you realize that Rob Thomas is god, and, as such, can make whatever reality, dismiss facts, and change the laws of the universe at will? I can't believe you don't accept that as a given! What's wrong with you?! LOL.
Sigh. You know, if RT came out and said that, for the purposes of the story he wants to tell, he is going to ignore how things are done in this field, I still won't like it, but I'll at least respect him for his honesty. As it is, the guy blatantly declares that he doesn't do research at all, because he can't be bothered. Dude! It's not "research" if it takes less than a minute to find relevant info. I know nothing about FBI or law enforcement procedures in general, and all I write is a lowly fanfic. And still I consider it beneath me to at least not attempt to get my facts straight before I post something. He writes for television! And he doesn't even have to fact-check himself. He can get an office flunky who pours his coffee into that "anal rape" mug every morning to Google it. It's not an obscure knowledge we are after here. Urgh!
The sheer laziness of it drives me insane. Why should I, as a viewer, bother to watch anything of his, if RT tells me outright he doesn't care enough himself to make any of it even remotely believable? And then the guy has the gaul to crow how "realistic" his show is! Yeah, Rob. Way to not let the facts interfere with a good story!
Thank you for your advice. I'll see what to do as the story progresses. Part of me just itches to drop the whole Internship thing as if it never happened, and part of me wants to take the_spin's advice and get Veronica there just to set her up to be humiliated. You know, have her realize for once that she is not, in fact, smarter than everyone. And that she doesn't fit at all. Not because she is so downtrodden and misunderstood, but because she has essentially become an 09ner of the intellect: entitled, self-important and smug without much to back it up.
And thank you for your enthusiasm about the fic! I'm kind of nervous now I won't live up to it. LOL.
Like you, if he would have just admitted it's for the service of a story (though, like you, I hardly think totally ignoring any sense of realism doesn't do stories -- that aren't firmly rooted in the "fantasy" genre, anyway -- an ounce of service), then it wouldn't have been so bad. But no, he's just "too lazy" to be bothered. ASS. Ugh.
I can definitely understand the want to go with
Anyway, don't be nervous! You're a great writer, and I'm sure we'll enjoy anything you can come up with. :)
Stunned. Knocked over with a feather. In a state of utter disbelief... Oh, who are we kidding?! LOL.
Veronica's character is pretty much irredeemable at this point, unless something major happens to change things. Maybe being totally humiliated at the FBI Academy would work for you! LOL.
Well, I may be delusional (it is certainly not out of the question), but taking Kristen Bell and her acting choices out of the equation and looking at the character, I see patterns in need of breaking for Veronica to have a chance with anyone, let alone Logan. But I also see her as not quite irredeemable. More like entrenched and petrified. And definitely it would take something big to shake her out of that very self-destructive behavior she's adopted. Humiliation of a professional kind might be in order. What she needs is for her complacency in her own judgment to be rattled fundamentally. She is so convinced she's right most of the time, no matter how often she's proven wrong, it would take something major for the realization to sink in. But she might not need the FBI for that. The consequences of her actions in the finale can be serious enough for her and her dad to accomplish just that.
And now I have rewrites to do. LOL. And thank you so much for your kindness and confidence. :)
In the beginning, the VMVOs were our insight into her character, and they let us share her headspace. But towards the end, they only served as exposition, or seemed to have no use at all (and I'm pretty sure I've discussed this writing issue with you in the past), and what did that leave us with? A girl we no longer understood nor could relate to, and if any of her actions had any sort of motivations that made sense? We weren't privy to them. For me, that's an incredibly difficult platform to jump off from, if that makes sense.
That's not to say it can't be done; over the course of S3, I think we saw a nice little influx of fic that showed how much more talented some of the fandom writers are than Rob and co., which, well, at least we have that, right? I just think it takes a lot more work to make anything that's not only good, but that even fits into the same universe anymore.
It also makes me very uneasy about ever finishing and posting that fic I've mentioned in the past. I'm not sure I can dig her out of that hole.
And, actually, what you are saying is convincing me even more that someone like Veronica Mars couldn't possibly get in there, even as an intern. Forget that she is on their "shit list" for the whole Donut run thing. Forget the polygraph test she is not passing ever! Forget the kind of "background" her acquaintances would paint to the investigating officials. Forget her arrests record. If the Bureau is not willing to even budge on something like re-scheduling an interview for a viable candidate, I do not see them bending the requirements for a freshman, no matter how highly lauded by Landry, and no matter who Landry knew there. Even if it's the director himself. This is not an organization that bends its rules for anyone, let alone some obscure unqualified non-candidate with a murky legal past and vigilante attitude.
Sigh.
Seriously though, ignore it. It was so stupid in the first place. And I'm excited to hear that you're writing!
But I might drop it after all. It's tempting, but in the end, the whole FBI thing is just irksome. And thank you so much for your excitement about the fic. LOL. I'm scared to disappoint now! :)
I'm a bit torn regarding your story. While I prefer staying as close to canon as possible, I find the whole internship thing so ludicrous that I would prefer to see it ignored in fic.
However, I really like
Absolutely. Sigh. So frustrating.
I like the_spin's idea, too. Veronica needs a hard lesson from somewhere, and I just don't think the guilt over ruining her father's chances in the election and possibly landing him in jail is enough to stop her from feeling smug about her intelligence and sleuthing abilities. I am going to see what develops in the story. If I can write it at least marginally in a believable way, I'll keep it. If it's going to rub me the wrong way as a concept, then it'll have to go.
And thank you! :)
Totally. What boggles my mind is that he said it from day one that he wanted Veronica to have some kind of a career in law enforcement in the future, and then proceeded to develop the character in such a way that makes it impossible to believe she'll ever be able to. Insane.
And, oh man, Piss! Urgh. What a total waste of space, time and show's potential. Even his name is a joke. Sigh.
I can't wait to read the new fanfic, I love all your work!
Thank you so much! I'll try not to disappoint. :)
So you can use that, everybody hates her because she's there out of favoritism and because of her talent.